Duggan Newsletter nr 12 Date sent: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 21:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan Stadler To: lyman@isn.net Subject: Re: Duggan Dugan Dougan Family Newsletter Organization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University In article you write: >issue nr 11 due for on-line distribution soon. >contact me to be included on the mailing list. >issues 1 to 10 will be archived soon >after end of sept contact me at lymandugg@aol.com >befor end of sept, lyman@isn.net Lyman, Please include us on your list. Thank you. Jon and Ellen Stadler stadler@math.ohio-state.edu Part two Duggan News issue 11 2 Nov 95 ................................................................................ Please include me on the mailing list. If I see anything of value to me, I'll tell you, but I only have one or two Dugan's in my tree (Wife of someone) 952PARRISH@Alpha.nlu.edu .......................................................................... >> Would you also be covering DUNGAN? > Hi Paul...this is the first time I have heard of Dungan...Is it > irish? Does it come from the Duggan family? Hi Lyman...the DUNGAN line is out of Ireland partly...but my line specifically is from St. Martin-in-the-Fields...which is supposedly England... About the only real work done on the line(s) is ANCESTRY OF JEREMY CLARKE of RHODE ISLAND AND DUNGAN GENEALOGY by Alfred Rudolph Justice. Available from Higginson Books (print to order)...8.5x11 about 2 inches thick...runs about $80, but is on sale about once a year for about $57...I have a copy...there has been a proof/disproval back and forth about a connection back in 1600s timeframe...but other than that, the book seems fairly accurate...and it goes from that timeframe all the way to my grandmother...who is listed in the book and I gave her a copy as a gift last Xmas... Should you want to include the DUNGAN spelling...let me know and will send what I have in notes from FIDOnet for the last 2yrs or so...between that and the book...should be pretty helpful to ya... Paul Sparks 2923 Twilley Dr Sacramento, CA 95827 (916) 363-4345 Internet: Paul.Sparks@dark.gigo.com Fidonet Netmail: 1:203/7707.11 Dear Paul, Thanks for your email. You are on the newsletter list and I put your last letter in it hoping that someone will be able to help you. I note that you are involved with fido-net genealogy. I have heard of this but have never used it. Is there a FAQ or something that you could direct me to? rgds, Lyman ................................................................. From: ccduggan@ultranet.com (Christopher Duggan) To: LYMANDUGG@aol.com Hello Lyman, I don't know any Duggan's in Halifax now. My father was Clyde Duggan who left Halifax for the US in the 40's. His sisters, Marguerite Perrin and Marie Fry still live there. My father died in 1989. I live in Westborough, MA with my wife Mary Fran. My mother, Avia Duggan, lives in Milford, MA. I would be interested to speak with you. I am leaving later this week for Dartmouth College where will be a grad student. Since my email will change shortly, I will forward a new address when I get one, and I will plan to call you after the end of the month once you have returned to Tampa. Cheers, Chris Duggan ....................................................................................... Black Irish refers to two possibilities. 1. Descendants resulting from the Norman Invasion of the 11th century. or more likely 2. The early celtic settlers of Ireland (whom originated from the Iberian Peninsula i.e Spain/France) who had dark hair. Several Gaelic names derive from the Gaelic Word Dubhgilla (means dark stranger). These settlers were the Milesians and arrived about 5000-3000BC and settled mainly in the south east of Ireland (Wexford, Wicklow coasts etc). The Red/blonde haired Irish descend from the sporadic viking and danish invasions of about 400 - 1000 AD. By the time of the norman invasion ( 1100AD) the new settlers had integrated into the predominantly Celtic society and the Red/Blonde hair became as common as the Dark. So depending upon what your family origins are it is either of Norman Invasion or Celtic stock. ................................................................... From: NMBLTHMBL1 To: LYMAN DUGG I think I had exchanged iformation with you quite some time ago and had wondered if I could get your newsletter. I have a DUGGAN in my line, Martha An DUGGAN, b. 1837 TN married my gggrandfather, Andrew Jackson PEOPLES b. 1832 TN. I am still without information about their marriage dates and about their parents, consequently I can't move ahead with research. I lost them in Alabama in 1860. Later family writings, have one son, James Lafayette PEOPLES b. 1862 in AL. Andrew and Martha are both buried in Shookville cemetary, Marion County, Illinois. Andrew died 1889 and Martha died? Martha was the daughter of Abraham DUGGIN and Suzanne ?. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks. Dave Peoples in CA. ............................................................................................... From: BettiD@aol.com Date sent: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 13:16:45 -0400 To: lyman@isn.net Subject: Re: Duggan Dugan family newsletter Since I am new to this newsletter. I would be very interested to know if any of the Dugan clan that knows any of us in the Medford Oregon area are on your list. ..................................................................................... Subj: More Dougans Date: 95-10-02 14:28:09 EDT From: jdougan@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca From: jdougan@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca To: lymandugg@aol.com Hi Cuz! It's certainly taken me a long time to send this. I had to wait until my son from Manitoba paid me a visit to show me how to transfer the info from Brothers Keeper to email. My son in Calgary usually helps me out but he has had a very busy summer and hasn't been up to Edmonton for several months. I hope you had a lovely summer in PEI. And now you're back in Florida for the winter. What a life!! You must be retired to be able to do that. Well, here are some more Dougans. * John Dougan b. ABT 1801 m. Sarah Preston (both born in Ireland) . * Robert Dougan b. 31-Aug-1831 in Ontario d. 22-Jan-1898 m. 18-May-1865 Maria Galway b. 03-May-1843 d. 4-Mar-1926 (born in Ireland, died in Ontario) . . * John Dougan b. 31-Mar-1866 . . * Hugh (Henry?) Dougan b. A1868 . . * Alfred W. Dougan b. 16-Dec-1868 d. 22-Jul-1872 . . * Martha Dougan b. 15-Oct-1871 . . * Robert Dougan b. A 1873 . . * Hubert Dougan b. __-Jan-1874 d. 9-Apr-1886 . . * Charles Dougan b. 15-Oct-1875/77 . . * Frederick Dougan b. 16-Sep-1879 . . * Annie B. Dougan b. __-___-1886 d. __-___-1962 m. Frederick J. Hill b. __-___-1886 d. __-___-1961 (All Robert and Maria's children were born in Madoc Township, Hastings County, Ontario) . * William Dougan b. 15-Apr-1833 (Ontario) d. 24-May-1899 (Ontario) m. 16-Jan-1866 Elizabeth Galway b. 1-Aug-1847 (Ontario) d. -Feb-1923 (Ontario) . . * Sara Eliza Dougan b. 2-Jan-1867 d. 06-Jul-1955 m. George Jose d. __-___-1945 . . * Margaret Ann Dougan b. 27-Sep-1868 d. 13-Dec-1951 m. 21-Apr-1891 Dorland Caverly b. 27-Nov-1866 d. 30-Jun-1892 . . * William Johnstone Dougan b. 29-Jul-1870 d. 29-Jul-1950 m. 17-Aug-1915 Mary Margaret Nicholson b. 5-Nov-1888 d. 7-Feb-1978 . . * Emmeline Malissa Dougan b. 23-Oct-1872 d. 27-Feb-1956 . . * Orrin Gibson Dougan b. 5-Jul-1874 d. 6-Jan-1904 . . * Harry Leslie Dougan b. 22-Jul-1876 d. __-___-1936 m. Nina Bradley . . * Perry Preston Dougan b. 24-Aug-1877 d. 18-Aug-1930 m. 28-Jun-1911 Adelaide Hendrika Brown b. 23-Nov-1885 d. 7-Nov-1967 . . * Carrie Lilian Dougan b. __-___-1882 d. __-__-1973 m. Amos Francis Kay b. __-___-1879 d. __-___-1952 . . * Murney Garfield Dougan b. 25-Jul-1885 d. 8-Dec-1962 m. Ruth Powell b. 13-Aug-1883 d. 6-Dec-1973 (All William and Elizabeth's children were also born in Madoc Township, Hastings County, Ontario) . * Elizabeth Dougan b. A1834 How does this look? If it seems a little confusing, let me know and I'll try to set it up a little differently. Later, Joyce JOYCE DOUGAN email: jdougan@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca EDMONTON, AB, T6B 0Y8 ................................................................ Subj: Duggan-Dugan Newsletters Date: 95-10-12 01:32:20 EDT From: JDUGN1 To: LYMAN DUGG Lyman: I've had the chance to read some of your newsletter letters back in March, '95. At the time, I was quite busy and was not able to respond to you regarding my interest in what you are doing. If feasible, I would like to get your prior editions of the newsletter. I too am interested in the Duggan-Dugan name history. I started working up my family's history about 1 year ago. Have about 600 names on my side of the family and on my wife's. Would appreciate the opportunity to join you and hopefully to contribute some of what I have learned about my namesake's history. Regards, James Joseph Dugan (JDUGN1) ............................................................................. Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:43:01 -0400 To: lyman@cyberspy.com (Lyman Duggan) Subject: Re: The other Dave From: dduggan@pipeline.com (David Duggan) Hi Lyman, well here it is ,,kinda sketchy but thats all I know: The Duggan Family to the best of my recollection My Grandfather: David Joseph Duggan : Born in Ireland apx. 1880-85 came to USA apx.1900 Died apx. 1954 in New Rochell , NY .....last address was 55 Beechwood Ave., New Rochell,NY.. My Grandmother: Ida Duggan: Born in Ireland apx. 1880-85 maiden name Ida Ryan , came to USA apx. 1900 shortly there after married my Grandfather ,,,Died apx. 1952 in New Rochell,NY. last address was 55 Beechwood Ave. New Rochell, NY My Father: David Michael Duggan : Born in New York , NY on Sept. 8, 1906 Died in New York, NY on Sept.26, 1981. last address was 9 Cedartree Pl. Huntington Station, NY My Great Uncle: Thomas Duggan: don't know his middle name or if he had one he did immigrate to USA probably on or about the same time as my grandfather , don't know his DOB or when he died or where, for all I know he may have gone back to Ireland?????? Me: David Thomas Duggan: Born in New Rochell , NY Dec.9,1947 current address 60 Hopkins St. Sayville,NY My father gave me my middle name Thomas after his uncle the aforementioned Thomas Duggan............. Please Note: The apx. birth dates of my grandparents are only an educated guess........the years my grandparents died are with in 2 years. Dave .............................................................................................. Lyman, I am researching several Sussex County, NJ families, the principal one being the Giveans family. (My 85 year old grandmother is a Giveans). The earliest Giveans I have found is John Givens, born circa 1765, married 1) Christian (Dougan?), and 2) Elizabeth Benjamin. According to a Benjamin family history (which contains many errors on my line at least), Christian Dougan Givens was was the daughter of John Dougan and Mary (---), but I have found no other evidence of this, or even proof that her maiden name was Dougan. The only information I have on the Dougans is as follows: NJ Archives, Calendar of Wills 1801-1805, page 136: 1802, Sept. 21. Dougan, John, of Vernon, Sussex Co.; will of. Names wife Mary. Also: Jane wife of James Benjamin; Mary and Sarah daughters of Joseph Simpson. Bond held against James Benjamin to be paid to John Givens and the interest to John Benjamin son said James. After wife's decease, estate divided between daughters Elenor wife of Joseph Simpson and Elizabeth wife of William Decker. Said 2 daughters to divide their mother's clothing with their half sister, Jane Benjamin. Executors wife Mary and son in law William Decker. Witnesses Elijah Randol (Randall), James Griffin, Daniel Stratton. Proved July 5, 1805. (Recorded Surrogate's Office, Sussex Co. Lib A. of wills, p. 51). 1805, Feb. 4. Inventory, $1,719.35; made by Robert McWhorter and William Sprague. File 1057S. Newspaper article, Wantage Recorder Feb. 26, 1937, page 7: Summaries of land and probate records, including Heirs of John Dugan, of Oxford Township (Sussex Co NJ): wife Hannan, John Dugan, Mary Kennedy, Margaret Graham wife of John Graham, Eliazabeth Gould wife of Garret Gould, Charity Cammell, Joseph Dugan. The Giveans family appears to have come through Ulster and Orange counties, NY, as did many of the original settlers of the area, so possibly the Dougans did as well. I am sorry to say that this is all the information I have found so far. As you can see, I still have some work to do on this line, but I am happy to share what little I have. Deborah Stanley, 319-B Morganville Road, Matawan, NJ 07747 (DebStanley@aol.com)